Bank of America is enforcing new rules on credit card applications. H/t Doctor of Credit.
*months considered on a rolling basis
For example, if you apply for a card on August 1, 2017, that's considered card #1. If you apply for another card on September 1, 2017, then that's card #2.
If you try to apply for another card from September 2-30, then it will result in an automatic rejection because of the "2 cards in 2 months" rule.
If you apply on October 1, 2017 (or afterward), then the application will pass the "2 cards in 2 months" rule, but it's still subject to the "3 in 12 months" and "4 in 24 months" rules.
When the application is "approved in error," the card won't show up on your credit report.
Bank of America's rules doesn't seem too bad compared to other banks. The rules only apply to Bank of America branded cards. Once you factor in Bank of America's card selection, most people won't have to worry about the rules because they don't have the best travel credit cards.
Note: Some of the offers/products mentioned below are no longer available.
If you’re like me and you have more than 10 credit cards, it can take up a lot of mental bandwidth. Remembering to use travel credits, minimum spend dates, and free anniversary nights can get confusing, especially if you have more than one premium travel card.
We created a spreadsheet to help you track the welcome bonus, statement dates, and travel credits for your cards.
Download a copy of the tracker here: http://bit.ly/2TLM4tF
The tracker currently has sample data in it, so feel free to fill in your own cards and dates.
The main sheet contains the primary tracker and the second sheet that says “Amex Gold” is an example of how to keep track of spending for a specific card.
In the “Amex Gold” sheet, I copy and pasted the line items from my credit card statement and to calculate how much spend was on the card. The “yes” represents spend I intend to keep, and the blank lines indicate that I might return the item. This total spend amount is also reflected on the “main” sheet under the column “spend confirmed.”
Feel free to create different sheets for each of the cards you have to keep track of minimum spend.
Most cards typically have a three month period to spend a certain amount to earn the welcome bonus. It’s safe to assume that the clock starts on the day you apply, and not the day you’re approved or receive the physical card.
If you have any doubts, be sure to send the bank a message to confirm the dates.
For cards that have annual fees, I wouldn’t count the annual fee or travel credits towards minimum spend. It would be unfortunate not to earn the bonus by a few hundred dollars.
If you’re someone who doesn’t like using auto-pay, then the payments section is ideal to keep track of all the card statement dates.
Pro-tip: I recommend changing all your card statements to close on the same date to keep it simple. I usually change my statements to be issued on the 1st / 2nd or 15th / 16th.
For example, you can send a secured message and request that all your Chase card statements close on the first of the month.
If you have multiple cards that offer a free night, it’s ideal to note the certificate expiration dates, so you don’t accidentally miss out.
Under the details, you can note the maximum point or category rewards the certificates can be redeemed for.
The “Days Left” column will get more green as the expiration date nears as a reminder to use the certificates.
Most premium travel cards come with some travel credit. Under “Credit Type” you can list if it’s a hotel resort credit, airline fee credit, or any other type.
Any other credits like the $100 Global Entry credit can be listed under “Other Credit.”
Watch the video below for complete instructions on how to use the tracker.
What leads to an American Express financial review? I've talked about my experience with a financial review in the past.
A financial review is a risk minimization tactic by Amex to make sure you don't max out your cards and run away. Their goal is that you don't default on payments by having too much debt and not pay it off.
When you're under financial review, they'll freeze all of your accounts, and you'll need to send in documents about your income. They will request tax returns and bank statements. What they're looking for is to make sure the income you reported on the application is true.
The process typically takes 2-3 weeks, and you're assigned a specialist to talk to. Even if you contact customer service, you will not be able to talk to anyone except for the specialist.
If you don't send in the requested information, they will shut down all of your accounts. Even if you're worried about failing the review, you should still send in the documentation because they're going to either shut down the accounts or set a lower credit limit.
If you click the "spending power" button more than three times a day, it will trigger a financial review. The idea is if you have a big purChase coming up, you can check if the transaction will be approved.
For me, this is what triggered a review. I entered $20,000 and then $30,000 and $50,000. Surprisingly, they all said it would be approved. On Amex's side, this raised a red flag because I just received my charge card.
The lesson here is: Don't play with the "Spending Power" button.
I think this is reasonable to prevent fraudulent transactions. One thing to be careful of is if you're hitting minimum spend. For example, if you're approved for a card, and you have a $10,000 credit limit, if you spend $5,000 in the first three days, it will raise a red flag. This equates to $2,500 a day, so they're going to assume this is normal behavior since they don't have spending history on your new card.
If you take the $2,500 and multiply it by 365 days, you get a figure close to $1 million dollars. This is concerning to Amex, especially if the income you reported isn't close to $1 million.
If you have more than $25,000 credit limit on a credit card or a combined credit limit of $35,000, it will trigger a financial review.
Amex allows you to link a bank account to pay your statement balance. If you don't have a balance in your bank account to pay the balance, it will result in a return payment.
The final factor that leads to a financial review is if you change your income numbers too drastically. For example, if you apply with a $100,000 salary, and one year later, you have a $150,000 annual salary.
Amex may want to see proof of the salary increase in the form of a pay stub or tax return.
There are three possible outcomes to the financial review process:
1. Pass, everything checks out, and no further action is needed.
2. Pass, but they will decrease your credit limits.
3. Fail, they will close all your accounts.
To start off with, I'm not taking any sides. My goal is to make you aware of the rules and actions that can lead to a shutdown. I'm going to list a bunch of items, and for you, some of these actions may seem reasonable, but Chase is within its right to cancel their relationship with you. This is called a non-satisfactory relationship.
When a non-satisfactory relationship occurs, all of your cards and accounts are closed. Chase will typically mail you a check for the balance in your account.
After this happens, some people may be able to reopen accounts after a few years. In certain circumstances, they will send a message saying you're rejected because of a previous non-satisfactory relationship.
For most people reading this blog, you'll be fine unless you're doing something shady/illegal. Most shutdowns happen because they're seeing unusual transactions and seen as "risky."
With that said, let's run through the list.
Easy examples of this are gambling, adult films, as well as Bitcoin. Back in 2014, there were a few producers that worked in the adult industry and had their accounts shut down because of it.
On the Bitcoin and cryptocurrency side, especially if you're using Coinbase, my recommendation is to link it to another account that's not Chase.
If you're someone who has large international wires, then I would avoid using Chase because it usually triggers a financial review that can lead to a shutdown. For Chase Private Clients, maybe that changes, but for normal people, it's seen as risky behavior.
The problem with money orders is the money isn't traceable. Banks get concerned when they don't know where the money is coming from. Their biggest concern is that the money is being obtained illegally.
On the other end of the spectrum, buying a lot of Visa gift cards with your credit cards can flag your account. The main problem is that Visa gift cards are a cash equivalent, meaning you can turn it into cash if you wanted to. When you buy store branded gift cards, it's harder to liquidate.
Some credit cards know when you're buying gift cards because they receive level 3 data, meaning they can see what you're buying. A Scenario where you might want to buy store-branded gift cards is if you're close to hitting minimum spend, and you don't have any other way. Here, you can buy a gift card on Amazon if you know you're going to use it in the future.
If you're someone who's new to credit and you apply for a lot of Chase cards in a short amount of time, this may trigger a shutdown. For example, if you received your first credit card three months ago, and you apply for 6 Chase cards in the next six months, it raises a red flag.
The way to lower the risk profile is to lower your credit limits. Again, you're seen as risky because you have a thin credit profile with a ton of credit.
I'm not sure why, but after your third or fourth Chase card, they start to give you high credit limits.
Another thing that may cause a shutdown is if you do credit piggybacking. This is when you add people to your credit cards as an authorized user when they don't have a purpose of being there. The person typically isn't a family member or in the same household.
The main thing Chase is concerned about is you're selling your credit cards as a service to help them improve their credit.
If you do want to help your significant other out, I think that's reasonable. Just be sure the mailing address is the same household.
This is obvious, but suing Chase is a bad idea. On the other hand, suing someone else is seen as a reputational risk because it can affect their other relationships with other companies.
Large cash deposits are also a red flag because it leaves them wondering about the source of the money. The benefit of a check or a wire is that they can track the origin or the money. With cash, they don't know.
Selling your UR points can trigger a shutdown. If you do want to transfer your points to family members, ideally they live in the same household and have the same last name.
If you review the list, most of the actions can be avoided. The only ones that can't are the reputational risk — so if you work in an industry they don't approve of, or if you end up suing someone they don't approve.
My recommendation is to be cautious of your transactions and try to see it from the bank's point of view.
American Express offers a wide range of charge cards and credit cards. Charge cards technically don't have a set spending limit, and you must pay them in full each month. Credit cards can be core Amex cards or co-branded cards, and you can carry a balance (although we do frown upon that; pay your cards off each month).
I recommend getting an American Express card AFTER you've finished obtaining all the Chase credit cards on your wish list due to the 5/24 rule. By the time you finish with Chase cards, you should have a solid credit foundation that will let you apply for premium cards.
People who are not currently American Express members have a higher likelihood to get targeted for increased signup bonuses like the 100,000 point Amex Platinum offer via CardMatch.
My first Amex card was the Amex EveryDay card, and I regret not going for the Amex Platinum first since I lost out on the additional 40,000 points.
Amex Platinum (as of 2018)
You can be targeted for the 100k offer via CardMatch even if you're already a customer, just less likely.
The following is my credit journey recommendation. American Express falls into step 4: choose your own adventure.
1. Student or secured (Card #1)
[let age for 12 months]
2. Chase Freedom/CFU (#2)
[let age for 1-3 months]
3. Finish off 5/24 (#3-5)
4. "Chose your own adventure"
Membership Rewards points can be worth 0.6-2.0+ cents per point (CPP) depending on how you redeem them.
Redeeming MR points:
The main questions you need to ask yourself are:
1. Do you travel?
2. Do you want the Amex Plat Schwab?
The Charles Schwab Amex Platinum lets you redeem MR points for cash back at a rate of 1.25 CPP.
If you miss out on the 100k Amex Platinum offer, how much is the opportunity cost worth?
40k MR opportunity cost
a) Cash back
b) Travel (low)
c) Travel (high)
At a minimum, you're missing out on $400 in opportunity cost. If you utilize transfer partners for travel, you could miss out on $800.
The short answer is no. I've seen plenty of people get approved for the Amex Platinum as their first Amex card.
The main question you need to ask is if one hard inquiry is worth $400 to $800?
Maybe if you're mortgage hunting, in which case you should already have a minimum card base of 3-5 cards set up.
In some cases, it might make sense for to get the Amex EveryDay card. Amex EveryDay is great for:
The exception for not getting the Amex Platinum first is if you fly on Delta often or you stay at Hilton properties often.
Exceptions list:
1. Amex Delta Gold
2. Amex Hilton Ascend
Have you ever applied for a credit card online and didn't instantly get approved? The first thing you need to check is if you were rejected or if they're still making a decision by calling the reconsideration line. A lot of people who aren't automatically approved assume they've been rejected.
If you're not instantly approved for a card, call the automated status line immediately to check the status of your application. The number may change in the future. h/t Doctor of Credit for the most updated list of recon numbers.
Reconsideration line phone number: 888-270-2127
Once you make the call, they're going to give you a message. If it says they'll let you know within 30 days, it means Chase has not processed the application yet. However, if the message says two weeks, this typically means you're approved. If it says 7-10 days, then it typically means you were rejected for the card.
Important note: these are based on phone messages and not email communication.
If you have the 7-10 day message, this likely means you were rejected. You can either wait for a letter or immediately call the reconsideration line to see if they will approve you. Before calling the reconsideration line, there are two rules you need to be aware of:
1. Chase 5/24 - if you opened more than five credit card accounts within the past 24 months, you'll automatically be rejected.
2. Chase 2/30 - if you have more than two applications within the past 30 days, Chase will not approve you.
When you call the reconsideration line, you're trying to convince the person on the other line to approve the application. You're usually speaking to a credit analyst, so be sure to call during business hours. These calls can vary drastically depending on what your credit profile looks like.
For example, my friend called the reconsideration line after applying for two Southwest credit cards on the same day and had to explain that they were aiming for Companion Pass. After explaining why they wanted the card, the analyst approved the card.
Again, depending on the specific reason the application is under review, your mileage may vary.
Another scenario is that Chase typically issues a total credit limit equivalent to half of your income. You may have to reallocate or lower the credit limits on some cards to get approved for a new card.
If you go through the reconsideration process and they still don't approve you, it might be worth hanging up and trying again a few hours or days later.
One other factor to consider is that if you are relatively new to credit, it's hard to get approved for travel cards like the Chase Sapphire Preferred or the Chase Sapphire Reserve. If you get rejected, the strategy would be to build a relationship with Chase by getting a Chase Freedom for 3-9 months before applying for a higher tier card.
Credit card issuers reserve the right to close accounts if they suspect any risky or suspicious activity. Most issuers usually send an income verification request before closing your accounts.
In this post, we’ll cover the income verification process and how to avoid a financial review.
A Form 4506-T is a request for a transcript of your tax return. It allows the financial institution or credit issuer to look into your IRS tax returns. Most lenders use the form to verify the self-reported income portion of your application to your tax return.
American Express and Discover are the two main credit issuers who routinely request Form 4506-T to verify your income.
In Summer 2019, Discover started sending out an IRS Consent Form 4506-T to people who requested new credit products, credit limit increases, unusual purchase activity, and high credit limits.
This is concerning because existing Discover customers are also receiving a Form 4506-T when they do one of the actions mentioned above.
American Express usually conducts a financial review of your account when they request a Form 4506-T.
One of the easiest ways to trigger a financial review is to “Check Spending Power” on your charge cards.
I tried playing with the “Check Spending Power” button a few years ago out of curiosity, and I immediately received a financial review.
Another possible trigger for an Amex financial review is having too much credit limit across all your Amex accounts. The limit may vary based on your income, but the general rule is that you don’t want to exceed $35,000 across all Amex accounts. Your mileage may vary.
When American Express conducts a financial review, any questions or inquiries get routed to the financial review department. A financial review can range from 1-3 weeks.
Depending on what Amex uncovers during the financial review, your account may remain unchanged, or they may adjust your credit limits accordingly.
Chase doesn’t usually request a Form 4506-T; my guess is because they’re focused on the prime market, and they’re also a bank. Most Chase credit cardholders are likely to have a bank account or assets with them as well.
Citi and Barclays routinely request a Form 4506-T if they see any suspicious activity.
In my experience, Citi requested a Form 4506-T when I opened a Citi Prestige and another Citi card within two months. I forgot about sending in the form, and it had no impact on my accounts. Citi continued to approve me for future cards.
If you receive a Form 4506-T, you should fill it in to avoid potential account shutdowns.
For Discover and American Express, you risk getting all of your accounts shutdown if you don’t comply with the request. This is not optimal because it will negatively impact your credit score, especially if some of your oldest accounts are with them.
Getting blacklisted from the credit issuers are another possibility.
As someone who visits Las Vegas at least twice a year, I hate paying resort fees. There have been some instances where the resort fees are more than the base room rate. One way to get resort fees waived at Ceasars properties is to have Diamond status with them. Here’s how to status match to Caesars Rewards Diamond status.
Important Update: As of March 2022, the Caesars Diamond Status match is discontinued
A few Diamond status perks that stand out to me:
See more benefits here: caesars.com/myrewards/benefits-overview
Step 1: Request a status match for Wyndham Rewards Diamond Status
The fastest way to earn status is through select credit cards, as opposed to staying 50+ nights at the hotel group. Most of the hotel credit cards that give you automatic status have an annual fee, but they also offer a free anniversary night each year.
If you use the free anniversary night wisely, you can get more value than the annual fee.
For example:
There are a few credit cards that give you automatic status that will match to Wyndham Rewards Diamond status, but my preference is IHG because it also matches to higher tiers at other programs like Best Western. We’ll use IHG in our example.
See the other options that match over to Diamond by clicking on “other hotel loyalty programs.”
Initially, I sent screenshots of my accounts for the status match, and after one week, I had to follow up. It was only after I sent pictures of my hotel membership cards did they approve the Diamond status in less than 24 hours.
Other cards with automatic status that match to Wyndham Diamond status:
Once you complete the status match, the Wyndham status lasts for 90 days. The plan is to request a status match to right away.
Timing is key since once you match over to Caesars Rewards, you’ll have status until the next January 31.
Example Match dates:
If you want Caesars Rewards status for 2021 to 2022...
It’s unclear if you can double dip status matches. For example, if you request a status match before Jan 31, and then another one afterward. Let me know in the comments below if you’ve been able to do this.
Important: To ACTIVATE the benefits and offers for Diamond status, you must present your drivers license or government issued ID at any Caesars property. Offers may take 2-4 weeks to appear in your account after activation.
The Platinum Card from American Express has a hefty $695 annual fee that might deter people from applying. However, there are a few ways to get the Platinum card for less, and potentially down to $0 depending on your situation.
The Military Lending Act (MLA) waives the annual fees for personal American Express cards, but not business cards.
MLA is not to be confused with Servicemembers Civil Relief Act (SCRA), which no longer qualifies for waived fees.
Under MLA, you can get the Platinum (vanilla), Platinum Schwab, or Platinum Morgan Stanley -- or all 3 -- and the fees should be waived.
Before canceling the Platinum cards, you would want a solid foundation of cards with no annual fee downgrade paths to preserve your credit history. Once you stop qualifying for MLA, your annual fees will hit upon renewal. The Platinum cards can only be product changed to the American Express Gold Card and the American Express Green Cards, which both have annual fees.
For non-service members, retention offers are a strategy to recoup some of the annual fee costs.
A retention offer is a targeted reward that’s typically offered to cardmembers who are up for renewal. The intention is to give you an incentive to retain you as a customer.
A few guidelines before asking for a retention offer:
Check out retention offer data points from our community here: https://www.asksebby.com/retention-offers
View our retention offer script in this post: https://www.asksebby.com/blog/how-to-get-credit-card-retention-offers
The Platinum Card has a few variations, including a co-branded Charles Schwab card. It offers the same benefits as the vanilla Platinum Card, but also gives you the ability to cash out Membership Rewards at a 1.25 cents per point rate via Schwab.
You’ll need to have a lot of money with Charles Schwab to qualify for the annual fee credits:
As a reminder, these statement credits only apply if you have the Schwab version of the Platinum card. If you want the Schwab Platinum, you’ll need to apply for it directly (and have a Schwab account).
Find the Schwab Platinum application here: https://www.schwab.com/public/schwab/investing/accounts_products/credit_cards
You can NOT product change from a regular “vanilla” Platinum to a Schwab Platinum. You also can’t product change from the Amex Schwab Investor Card since it’s a limit based credit card vs. “no limit.”
What if you make good money, but aren't at the Schwab level? Enter the co-branded Amex Platinum Morgan Stanley card.
To qualify for the Morgan Stanley Platinum, you’ll need a Morgan Stanley account. The Access Investing is the easiest pick given the reasonable requirement of $5,000. You are paying 35 basis points (0.35%), but this can be mitigated.
I opened an Access Investing account last year with $5,000, and my account is doing fine. Disclaimer: your mileage may vary. My results might not represent the average account holder.
Why is the Morgan Stanley Platinum card interesting? You can get the whole $695 annual fee waived if you meet the qualifying requirements.
$100,000 of spend on a debit card is definitely an aggressive number, but maybe possible if you've been playing poker with friends or paying a ton of taxes.
View the Premier Cash Management terms here: https://www.morganstanley.com/wealth-disclosures/premiercashmanagementtermsconditions_2018.pdf
In early 2020, Morgan Stanley replaced the Premier Cash Management program with CashPlus. If you still have a Premier Cash Management account, you might be able to request a transition to the CashPlus if it’s a better fit.
The Platinum CashPlus will give you a $695 engagement bonus, which effectively pays for the Morgan Stanley Platinum card annual fee if you have:
For most people, the $5,000 in monthly deposits might be easy, but the $25,000 balance might not be worth it since the account doesn’t earn interest.
You’ll need to do the math to see if it’s worth parking $25,000 in the account to get $695 in value. It’s effectively the equivalent to 2.2% APY, which is a competitive rate given the current economic environment.
For people who already have Morgan Stanley Platinum card, there's a big problem. On page 7 of the terms, it says that they will only pay an annual engagement bonus to NEW cards opened in connection with the Platinum CashPlus account.
View the Platinum CashPlus account terms here: https://www.morganstanley.com/wealth-disclosures/cashplusaccountdisclosurestatement.pdf
"You will not receive an Annual Engagement Bonus for an American Express Platinum card not issued in connection with your Platinum CashPlus Account."
Since I have an existing Morgan Stanley Platinum card, I wouldn’t be eligible for the CashPlus Annual Engagement Bonus. There’s mixed comments in the YouTube video we published, so please leave a data point/comment if it works for existing cardholders.
Hilton points are valuable if you’re looking to take an aspirational trip to somewhere like the Maldives or Bora Bora. The Hilton portfolio of hotels includes the Conrad, Waldorf Astoria, and the Curio Collection.
The Hilton Honors American Express Aspire Card and the Hilton Honors American Express Surpass® Card (after $15k spend) offer free weekend night certificates that you can use at almost any property.
Terms apply to American Express benefits and offers. Enrollment may be required for select American Express benefits and offers. Visit americanexpress.com to learn more.
American Express explicitly states in their credit card terms that you are not eligible for a bonus if you have or had a card.
“Welcome offer not available to applicants who have or have had this Card. We may also consider the number of American Express Cards you have opened and closed as well as other factors in making a decision on your welcome offer eligibility.”
The rule is not based on whether or not you received the welcome offer, but if you have or have had the specific card.
The Hilton Honors, Hilton Surpass, and Hilton Aspire cards are considered three different products. If you received a bonus for the Hilton Honors, you could still get a bonus for the Hilton Surpass.
Another example is if you opened the Hilton Surpass card, closed it after a week, and didn’t receive the bonus. You do not qualify for a new welcome offer because you had the card.
Being an authorized user on someone’s card does not disqualify you from getting the bonus yourself.
Upgrade offers usually appear after having a card for at least 12 months. Due to the CARD Act, credit issuers cannot change the annual fee before the 12-month mark.
Another important note is that upgrade offers usually come with a minimum spend requirement.
Important: If you accept an upgrade offer, you must keep the card open for at least 12 months. Per the terms and conditions of the offer, Amex reserves the right to claw back the points or blacklist you.
The optimal strategy for accumulating Hilton points and free night certificates is to get each Hilton product and upgrade them.
If you’re planning a vacation for 2021 or you’re looking to accumulate as many points and free nights as possible, the following timeline examples are ideal.
>> Feb 2020:
>> Jun 2020:
3. Aspire = Intro Bonus #3
Total = 3x Intro Bonus
>> Feb 2021:
>> March 2021:
3. Hilton Surpass #2 —> Hilton Aspire #2 = Upgrade Bonus #3
Total = 3x Intro Bonus + 3x Upgrade Bonus
If you’re planning a vacation this year and looking to redeem points and certificates right away, then I recommend getting the Hilton Surpass and the Aspire for the weekend certificates.
>> Right now:
Hilton Surpass = Intro Bonus + weekend certificate after $15,000 in spend
>> Soon after:
Hilton Aspire = Intro Bonus + weekend night certificate
If you want to be super aggressive, you could technically get all three Hilton products (Honors, Surpass, Aspire), and downgrade them all after 12 months to the no annual fee Hilton Honors.
You could then upgrade the cards to a Surpass, and then a second wave to Aspire cards. However, this scenario is not realistic for most people since the upgrade offers usually have a spend requirement.
Most people will not be able to spend $9,000 in three months to upgrade to the Surpass (x3), and then another $9,000 to upgrade to the Aspire (x3).